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		<title>By: Duke</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, I&#039;ve read over your posts and it seems your position is summarized as you give Letterman the benefit of the doubt that the joke was not about Willow, and since it must have been about Bristol then it&#039;s OK.  From my perspective, that premise lies on sand and even accepting it, the conclusion fails the common sense test.
As to the premise, allow me an analogy, a well established legal principle whose purpose is straightforward.  Say you&#039;re responsible for a car accident, a minor fender bender, but the passenger in the other car dies from it.  Hits his head on the dash, which would give you or me a bump but this passenger has a thin skull and it killed him.  You are fully liable, regardless that it was a minor accident and that the passenger had an unusually eggshell thin skull.  The principle is you take the victim as he is, you don&#039;t get the benefit of some average person standard or that you thought the people in the other car were of average vulnerability.  Letterman made a joke about Palin&#039;s daughter at the game.  Willow was the one actually at the game.  If Letterman f#&#039;ed up on the facts, well that&#039;s his fault.  Willow did nothing to contribute to her abuse on Letterman&#039;s show.  Now if you want to give Letterman the benefit of the doubt, that means you&#039;re OK with Willow suffering the abuse that falls to her from Lettrman&#039;s mistake.  Your premise is unworkable because the party at fault gets off scott free while the innocent party suffers.
Now for the conclusion, that if the joke were about Bristol it would be OK.  I disagree.  I think it is reprehensible for a 60 year old comedian with a national show to target the 18 y.o. daughter of a governor.  You seem to think its relevant that she may qualify as some public figure, but that matters solely for the burden of proof in a civil libel suit, not here.  So it seems you conclude that because they&#039;re both adults, its OK and no holds barred.  I choose a more civil society.   Letterman at 60+ far outmatches Bristol at 18 in the experience dept.  Paris Hilton is a different story, she put herself out there voluntarily as a public sex figure, and for an extended period of time.  Not so Bristol.  Letterman&#039;s show also insulates him from any recourse by Bristol, who has no show or public pulpit of her own.  The deck is so stacked in Letterman&#039;s favor agaisnt Bristol that I say it is not OK for him to single her out for attack.
Big picture though Doug, we&#039;re not talking legal jeopardy for a bad joke here, we&#039;re talking private citizens standing for a line of decency.  I don&#039;t understand why you have such a problem with that.  You avoid that little matter and try to condescend to Cynthia on her own blog.  Are you on Letterman&#039;s payroll?  Because it seems you&#039;re spending an awful lot if time telling us  &quot;Hey, you shouldn&#039;t do anything about it if you&#039;re offended!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I&#8217;ve read over your posts and it seems your position is summarized as you give Letterman the benefit of the doubt that the joke was not about Willow, and since it must have been about Bristol then it&#8217;s OK.  From my perspective, that premise lies on sand and even accepting it, the conclusion fails the common sense test.<br />
As to the premise, allow me an analogy, a well established legal principle whose purpose is straightforward.  Say you&#8217;re responsible for a car accident, a minor fender bender, but the passenger in the other car dies from it.  Hits his head on the dash, which would give you or me a bump but this passenger has a thin skull and it killed him.  You are fully liable, regardless that it was a minor accident and that the passenger had an unusually eggshell thin skull.  The principle is you take the victim as he is, you don&#8217;t get the benefit of some average person standard or that you thought the people in the other car were of average vulnerability.  Letterman made a joke about Palin&#8217;s daughter at the game.  Willow was the one actually at the game.  If Letterman f#&#8217;ed up on the facts, well that&#8217;s his fault.  Willow did nothing to contribute to her abuse on Letterman&#8217;s show.  Now if you want to give Letterman the benefit of the doubt, that means you&#8217;re OK with Willow suffering the abuse that falls to her from Lettrman&#8217;s mistake.  Your premise is unworkable because the party at fault gets off scott free while the innocent party suffers.<br />
Now for the conclusion, that if the joke were about Bristol it would be OK.  I disagree.  I think it is reprehensible for a 60 year old comedian with a national show to target the 18 y.o. daughter of a governor.  You seem to think its relevant that she may qualify as some public figure, but that matters solely for the burden of proof in a civil libel suit, not here.  So it seems you conclude that because they&#8217;re both adults, its OK and no holds barred.  I choose a more civil society.   Letterman at 60+ far outmatches Bristol at 18 in the experience dept.  Paris Hilton is a different story, she put herself out there voluntarily as a public sex figure, and for an extended period of time.  Not so Bristol.  Letterman&#8217;s show also insulates him from any recourse by Bristol, who has no show or public pulpit of her own.  The deck is so stacked in Letterman&#8217;s favor agaisnt Bristol that I say it is not OK for him to single her out for attack.<br />
Big picture though Doug, we&#8217;re not talking legal jeopardy for a bad joke here, we&#8217;re talking private citizens standing for a line of decency.  I don&#8217;t understand why you have such a problem with that.  You avoid that little matter and try to condescend to Cynthia on her own blog.  Are you on Letterman&#8217;s payroll?  Because it seems you&#8217;re spending an awful lot if time telling us  &#8220;Hey, you shouldn&#8217;t do anything about it if you&#8217;re offended!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia, as an ex- liberal, have you ever seen people like Doug and Justin turn themselves into pretzels to try and make this into anything but what it really is? Talk about a contortionist act

3 sponsors dropped and it&#039;s not working, so you might as well stop. They really are putting in a huge effort to make people stop, insults, snark, etc. You can almost see the smoke coming out of their ears that it isn&#039;t working.

Keep lying to yourself boys, you seem to be good at it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, as an ex- liberal, have you ever seen people like Doug and Justin turn themselves into pretzels to try and make this into anything but what it really is? Talk about a contortionist act</p>
<p>3 sponsors dropped and it&#8217;s not working, so you might as well stop. They really are putting in a huge effort to make people stop, insults, snark, etc. You can almost see the smoke coming out of their ears that it isn&#8217;t working.</p>
<p>Keep lying to yourself boys, you seem to be good at it</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

There absolutely was a rape joke.

You are not bright enough to grasp that you have taken all of the time I am willing to spend on you. You have gone past reasoned dialog to troll determined to dominate people and force them to be obedient to his will. Get a life. And don&#039;t come back.

Letterman is going down.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>There absolutely was a rape joke.</p>
<p>You are not bright enough to grasp that you have taken all of the time I am willing to spend on you. You have gone past reasoned dialog to troll determined to dominate people and force them to be obedient to his will. Get a life. And don&#8217;t come back.</p>
<p>Letterman is going down.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so you don&#039;t think there was a rape joke.  Excellent! You are making real progress!

Also, Willow was at the GAME, yes, but LEFT THE GAME before the &quot;seventh inning stretch,&quot; mentioned in the joke. It&#039;s splitting hairs, yes, but that&#039;s what the raisinbrains who first made this about Willow were doing, too.

I am feeling really good about where we are now. You&#039;ve realized there was no rape joke and are now just attacking a man who has different political views than you do.

I will pay you $500, via paypal, if David Letterman is fired over this. Are you willing to make the same bet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so you don&#8217;t think there was a rape joke.  Excellent! You are making real progress!</p>
<p>Also, Willow was at the GAME, yes, but LEFT THE GAME before the &#8220;seventh inning stretch,&#8221; mentioned in the joke. It&#8217;s splitting hairs, yes, but that&#8217;s what the raisinbrains who first made this about Willow were doing, too.</p>
<p>I am feeling really good about where we are now. You&#8217;ve realized there was no rape joke and are now just attacking a man who has different political views than you do.</p>
<p>I will pay you $500, via paypal, if David Letterman is fired over this. Are you willing to make the same bet?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Willow IS the 14-year-old who attended the Yankees game.

I am certain that Letterman&#039;s attack was sexist and intended to destroy people he disagrees with. He was so deranged in his quest to do that that he went after CHILDREN. He must be fired. He will be fired.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Willow IS the 14-year-old who attended the Yankees game.</p>
<p>I am certain that Letterman&#8217;s attack was sexist and intended to destroy people he disagrees with. He was so deranged in his quest to do that that he went after CHILDREN. He must be fired. He will be fired.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a new job:  she&#039;s had it since May 6.

And I did re-read some of your old posts about this and saw that you&#039;d previously listed &quot;Four big reasons to get David Letterman fired.&quot; Each one doesn&#039;t make any sense.

Your first reason was that it was a rape joke about a teenage girl, which we&#039;ve already decided is an absolutely ridiculous claim. The joke was meant to be about Bristol. Even if you&#039;re taking every aspect of the joke literally, not as a piece of fiction but as &quot;reporting,&quot; you&#039;ve got a huge problem: the entire Palin family left the baseball game during the 6th inning. That means not only was Bristol not there during the 7th inning stretch, neither was Willow. So there was no &quot;rape joke&quot;.  There was no underage Palin in the stands when the fictional knocking-up occurred.

Your second reason is &quot;conservatives AND our candidates will be attacked by millions of his imitators&quot; if we don&#039;t stop this. How is that grounds for firing? How can a man be held responsible for the actions of those &quot;imitating him.&quot; At any rate, this goes back to the rape joke point -- there was no rape joke, so no one can imitate a rape joke.

Third reason: &quot;If we do not show our conservative leaders that we have their backs, the best and brightest of them will find other careers. &quot; Again, what the hell does this have to do with David Letterman? He can&#039;t control whether or not people decide to run for office. You are making zero sense here.

Fourth reason: &quot;Knowing you have this kind of power FEELS AWESOME!&quot; OK, so maybe using the word &quot;reason&quot; was a poor choice on your behalf. You&#039;ve only listed one reason David Letterman deserves to be fired -- you think he made a rape joke. The other three reasons are reasons getting him fired will help your loony tunes cause, or help your own self-esteem.

Quick question that you haven&#039;t answered:

Do you still believe that David Letterman intended to target a 14-year old girl with his joke? Even though Willow wasn&#039;t at the game during the seventh-inning stretch when Dave joked that the daughter was &quot;knocked-up&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a new job:  she&#8217;s had it since May 6.</p>
<p>And I did re-read some of your old posts about this and saw that you&#8217;d previously listed &#8220;Four big reasons to get David Letterman fired.&#8221; Each one doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>Your first reason was that it was a rape joke about a teenage girl, which we&#8217;ve already decided is an absolutely ridiculous claim. The joke was meant to be about Bristol. Even if you&#8217;re taking every aspect of the joke literally, not as a piece of fiction but as &#8220;reporting,&#8221; you&#8217;ve got a huge problem: the entire Palin family left the baseball game during the 6th inning. That means not only was Bristol not there during the 7th inning stretch, neither was Willow. So there was no &#8220;rape joke&#8221;.  There was no underage Palin in the stands when the fictional knocking-up occurred.</p>
<p>Your second reason is &#8220;conservatives AND our candidates will be attacked by millions of his imitators&#8221; if we don&#8217;t stop this. How is that grounds for firing? How can a man be held responsible for the actions of those &#8220;imitating him.&#8221; At any rate, this goes back to the rape joke point &#8212; there was no rape joke, so no one can imitate a rape joke.</p>
<p>Third reason: &#8220;If we do not show our conservative leaders that we have their backs, the best and brightest of them will find other careers. &#8221; Again, what the hell does this have to do with David Letterman? He can&#8217;t control whether or not people decide to run for office. You are making zero sense here.</p>
<p>Fourth reason: &#8220;Knowing you have this kind of power FEELS AWESOME!&#8221; OK, so maybe using the word &#8220;reason&#8221; was a poor choice on your behalf. You&#8217;ve only listed one reason David Letterman deserves to be fired &#8212; you think he made a rape joke. The other three reasons are reasons getting him fired will help your loony tunes cause, or help your own self-esteem.</p>
<p>Quick question that you haven&#8217;t answered:</p>
<p>Do you still believe that David Letterman intended to target a 14-year old girl with his joke? Even though Willow wasn&#8217;t at the game during the seventh-inning stretch when Dave joked that the daughter was &#8220;knocked-up&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

OK, Bristol has a new job in the public arena. You still don&#039;t seem to grasp why vicious sexist jokes are grounds for dismissal. Did you do the reading assignment?

Regarding Justice O&#039;Connor, if Letterman is having guests like her on as human shields it means he&#039;s sinking and sinking fast.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>OK, Bristol has a new job in the public arena. You still don&#8217;t seem to grasp why vicious sexist jokes are grounds for dismissal. Did you do the reading assignment?</p>
<p>Regarding Justice O&#8217;Connor, if Letterman is having guests like her on as human shields it means he&#8217;s sinking and sinking fast.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re deluded if you think anyone is taking your claims seriously. No advertiser has made any statement against Letterman and they&#039;re carefully wording the statements they do make to avoid offending fans of Letterman and fans of Palin.

Since you brought it up, wikipedia defines &quot;public figure&quot; as  someone who has &quot;thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved.&quot; If you don&#039;t think Bristol Palin is a public figure, visit the Candies Foundation website here: http://www.candiesfoundation.org/ where they proudly announce that Brisol Palin has been hired as an AMBASSADOR to PUBLICLY PROMOTE ways to combat TEEN PREGNANCY.  Please tell me how that is not CHOOSING to enter the PUBLIC DISCOURSE.

David Letterman had Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O&#039;Conner as a guest on his show last night. Does she not understand women, either? Is that why she agreed to go on the vicious sexist&#039;s tv show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re deluded if you think anyone is taking your claims seriously. No advertiser has made any statement against Letterman and they&#8217;re carefully wording the statements they do make to avoid offending fans of Letterman and fans of Palin.</p>
<p>Since you brought it up, wikipedia defines &#8220;public figure&#8221; as  someone who has &#8220;thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved.&#8221; If you don&#8217;t think Bristol Palin is a public figure, visit the Candies Foundation website here: <a href="http://www.candiesfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.candiesfoundation.org/</a> where they proudly announce that Brisol Palin has been hired as an AMBASSADOR to PUBLICLY PROMOTE ways to combat TEEN PREGNANCY.  Please tell me how that is not CHOOSING to enter the PUBLIC DISCOURSE.</p>
<p>David Letterman had Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O&#8217;Conner as a guest on his show last night. Does she not understand women, either? Is that why she agreed to go on the vicious sexist&#8217;s tv show?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosita</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Schonberg email address failed. :-(

Cynthia- what about protests/actions? Picketing company HQs or stores?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Schonberg email address failed. <img src='http://aconservativelesbian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cynthia- what about protests/actions? Picketing company HQs or stores?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/06/21/what-letterman-is-doing-is-mobbing-not-humor-fire-david-letterman/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Obviously you are ignoring pretty much everything I&#039;ve written. If you haven&#039;t read all my &quot;Fire Letterman&quot; posts, then do so. If you have, read them again until you understand the point: what Letterman did was not a joke, it was a vicious attack ON EVERYONE HE DISAGREES WITH &lt;strong&gt;AND&lt;/strong&gt; THEIR CHILDREN!!! Children are non-combatants. It is hostage-taking to hurt people and try to drive them from the public arena by harming their children. HE ATTACKED TEEN-AGE GIRLS REPEATEDLY AND THAT ALONE IS ENOUGH REASON TO FIRE HIM!

The words &quot;public figure&quot; have a legal definition in libel and slander law. Gov. Palin is a public figure, but her children did not enter the public arena on their own initiative. I doubt that legally they are public figures.

If you do not grasp how viciously sexist Letterman&#039;s attacks were, you have a fundamental dis-connect in your understanding of women. If you are interested in addressing that to improve yourself, I suggest you start with learning that women are NOT objects to be moved around at your whim or servants who exist only to do your bidding and please you. If that advice is too abstract, I have a straight friend who sums it up this way: &quot;Women are not mommies you can fuck.&quot;

Letterman MUST be fired. Letterman CAN be fired. Letterman WILL be fired.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Obviously you are ignoring pretty much everything I&#8217;ve written. If you haven&#8217;t read all my &#8220;Fire Letterman&#8221; posts, then do so. If you have, read them again until you understand the point: what Letterman did was not a joke, it was a vicious attack ON EVERYONE HE DISAGREES WITH <strong>AND</strong> THEIR CHILDREN!!! Children are non-combatants. It is hostage-taking to hurt people and try to drive them from the public arena by harming their children. HE ATTACKED TEEN-AGE GIRLS REPEATEDLY AND THAT ALONE IS ENOUGH REASON TO FIRE HIM!</p>
<p>The words &#8220;public figure&#8221; have a legal definition in libel and slander law. Gov. Palin is a public figure, but her children did not enter the public arena on their own initiative. I doubt that legally they are public figures.</p>
<p>If you do not grasp how viciously sexist Letterman&#8217;s attacks were, you have a fundamental dis-connect in your understanding of women. If you are interested in addressing that to improve yourself, I suggest you start with learning that women are NOT objects to be moved around at your whim or servants who exist only to do your bidding and please you. If that advice is too abstract, I have a straight friend who sums it up this way: &#8220;Women are not mommies you can fuck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Letterman MUST be fired. Letterman CAN be fired. Letterman WILL be fired.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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