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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M. Simon,

So you voted for Obama for U.S. Senate in Illinois? I was in touch with someone in Illinois at the time and she said Alan Keyes got crazier and crazier as the campaign went on and in the last few weeks could barely get another Republican to stand next to him when he campaigned. Obama is so deceitful and has so many people covering up for him that there was no way of knowing then that Keyes was more sane and the better choice, if only because his election would have blocked Obama&#039;s path to national prominence.

Just so other readers are clear, my posts on Gov. Palin praise her. There is an enormous amount there to respect and admire. I disagree with her about gay marriage and homosexual equality, but I hear tell she vetoed a bill that would have taken rights from gays. And when she and Joe Biden were asked about gay marriage in the vice presidential debate, I found his answer genuinely hate-filled and foreboding danger to our community while Gov. Palin&#039;s was loving yet consistent with her faith. People who are coming from positions of love and seeking to do right are the ones I can work with. But in terms of practical results, no one sells out gays like the Democrats and Obama already is close to Bill Clinton&#039;s record as the worst president ever for homosexual equality.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M. Simon,</p>
<p>So you voted for Obama for U.S. Senate in Illinois? I was in touch with someone in Illinois at the time and she said Alan Keyes got crazier and crazier as the campaign went on and in the last few weeks could barely get another Republican to stand next to him when he campaigned. Obama is so deceitful and has so many people covering up for him that there was no way of knowing then that Keyes was more sane and the better choice, if only because his election would have blocked Obama&#8217;s path to national prominence.</p>
<p>Just so other readers are clear, my posts on Gov. Palin praise her. There is an enormous amount there to respect and admire. I disagree with her about gay marriage and homosexual equality, but I hear tell she vetoed a bill that would have taken rights from gays. And when she and Joe Biden were asked about gay marriage in the vice presidential debate, I found his answer genuinely hate-filled and foreboding danger to our community while Gov. Palin&#8217;s was loving yet consistent with her faith. People who are coming from positions of love and seeking to do right are the ones I can work with. But in terms of practical results, no one sells out gays like the Democrats and Obama already is close to Bill Clinton&#8217;s record as the worst president ever for homosexual equality.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed the Maya Keyes story before it broke (not by much - a few weeks) and had found her on line diary. I thought what Alan did was despicable and although I consider myself a libertarian Republican I voted for Obama in 2004 (forgive me).

There is a LOT of hate loose in this country from all sides of the political spectrum (you of course have done some posts on Palin) and it is not looking good for the Republic.  Let us hope and WORK for better days.
.-= M. Simon&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2009/07/sarah-barracuda.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sarah Barracuda&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed the Maya Keyes story before it broke (not by much &#8211; a few weeks) and had found her on line diary. I thought what Alan did was despicable and although I consider myself a libertarian Republican I voted for Obama in 2004 (forgive me).</p>
<p>There is a LOT of hate loose in this country from all sides of the political spectrum (you of course have done some posts on Palin) and it is not looking good for the Republic.  Let us hope and WORK for better days.<br />
.-= M. Simon&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2009/07/sarah-barracuda.html" rel="nofollow">Sarah Barracuda</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: gay-marriage-equality — Cynthia Yockey</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] homosexual children &#8212; those who do are opposing equality for their own children (see my posts here and here). BTW, Lynn Cheney supports marriage equality for her lesbian daughter and GOD BLESS MARIE [...]</description>
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		<title>By: My civil dialogue with Gay Patriot on same-sex marriage and marriage equality for lesbians and gays — Cynthia Yockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My civil dialogue with Gay Patriot on same-sex marriage and marriage equality for lesbians and gays — Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bloggers, including one who is vehemently against gay marriage (also here &#8211; and see my reply here and my lampoons, which have been taken in very good spirit by their target, here and here), so I am [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mom and Dad are fighting — Cynthia Yockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom and Dad are fighting — Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and flattered by Stacy&#8217;s post since I had gone after him a few days before with &#8220;Robert Stacy McCain vows to kill his gay children on a hill,&#8221; &#8212; in which I reminded opponents of gay marriage that their vitriol against gays will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and flattered by Stacy&#8217;s post since I had gone after him a few days before with &#8220;Robert Stacy McCain vows to kill his gay children on a hill,&#8221; &#8212; in which I reminded opponents of gay marriage that their vitriol against gays will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Flamingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Flamingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh cynthia...
first of all, you&#039;re welcome!!
second of all, i agree. i&#039;m having such a difficult time with the whole christian right, esp on talk radio. i enjoy hannity, ingraham, rush... UNTIL, they have to go THERE. they seem to think the reason the republican party tanked is that the party went to left. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i&#039;m here to tell them that the party in general tanked because of the uber intolerant christian right. they took the party over and will NOT accept that the vast majority of registered independents are not republicans because of them. jeesh. so yeah, it&#039;s tough knowing that the traditional republican values that finally pulled me back into the R column are still being overshadowed by this incredible intolerance of choice and equality insisted upon by the religious nazis. oh, yes, i said it, and i mean it. i&#039;m sick of it. when did my body become anybody&#039;s business? when did total strangers get to decide that we get to be born either a boy or a girl that will like, want, marry and procreate with each other OR... NOTHING? who said? while it&#039;s my business to &quot;decide&quot; with whom i make my life, if the government is going to allow a certain class of citizens special rights (because the bible says, though somehow they conveniently left out the rampant instances of polygamy...), then, um... i want that too. talk about special interest groups. i would say the straight married couple lobby is the biggest and, given their success rate, not that much to brag about and a big waste of money and time. but, that&#039;s just me.

anywho, keep your chin up my dear. you&#039;re doing great. you give me hope and let me know that i am not alone out here. and i tell you, it&#039;s pretty damned lonely.

peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh cynthia&#8230;<br />
first of all, you&#8217;re welcome!!<br />
second of all, i agree. i&#8217;m having such a difficult time with the whole christian right, esp on talk radio. i enjoy hannity, ingraham, rush&#8230; UNTIL, they have to go THERE. they seem to think the reason the republican party tanked is that the party went to left. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i&#8217;m here to tell them that the party in general tanked because of the uber intolerant christian right. they took the party over and will NOT accept that the vast majority of registered independents are not republicans because of them. jeesh. so yeah, it&#8217;s tough knowing that the traditional republican values that finally pulled me back into the R column are still being overshadowed by this incredible intolerance of choice and equality insisted upon by the religious nazis. oh, yes, i said it, and i mean it. i&#8217;m sick of it. when did my body become anybody&#8217;s business? when did total strangers get to decide that we get to be born either a boy or a girl that will like, want, marry and procreate with each other OR&#8230; NOTHING? who said? while it&#8217;s my business to &#8220;decide&#8221; with whom i make my life, if the government is going to allow a certain class of citizens special rights (because the bible says, though somehow they conveniently left out the rampant instances of polygamy&#8230;), then, um&#8230; i want that too. talk about special interest groups. i would say the straight married couple lobby is the biggest and, given their success rate, not that much to brag about and a big waste of money and time. but, that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>anywho, keep your chin up my dear. you&#8217;re doing great. you give me hope and let me know that i am not alone out here. and i tell you, it&#8217;s pretty damned lonely.</p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: The hot dog vendor must have had Obama&#8217;s favorite Dijon mustard — Cynthia Yockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The hot dog vendor must have had Obama&#8217;s favorite Dijon mustard — Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Welcome, visitors from The Other McCain! I was afraid Stacy wasn&#8217;t speaking to me because of this warning I gave him about the potential unintended consequences of opposition to gay marriage. I am [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
		<link>http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/05/03/robert-stacy-mccain-vows-to-kill-his-gay-children-on-a-hill/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lone Flamingo,

I was feeling rather down this week over how toxic the controversy about gay marriage has been in the Right Blogosphere, so THANK YOU!

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lone Flamingo,</p>
<p>I was feeling rather down this week over how toxic the controversy about gay marriage has been in the Right Blogosphere, so THANK YOU!</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Flamingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Flamingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 07:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cynthia...
(hi. former bluesmama...)

you are my freaking hero. you have gigantic, ass-kickin&#039; eggs and i want some of what you&#039;ve got, sister. wow. yeah... kicked yourself a lil bit of elephant butt. cool.

it&#039;s late so i really can&#039;t go into a lot of what&#039;s knocking around my brain right now about this whole topic, but i swear, every time i mosey over here to your blog i&#039;m blown away. rock on, girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cynthia&#8230;<br />
(hi. former bluesmama&#8230;)</p>
<p>you are my freaking hero. you have gigantic, ass-kickin&#8217; eggs and i want some of what you&#8217;ve got, sister. wow. yeah&#8230; kicked yourself a lil bit of elephant butt. cool.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s late so i really can&#8217;t go into a lot of what&#8217;s knocking around my brain right now about this whole topic, but i swear, every time i mosey over here to your blog i&#8217;m blown away. rock on, girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Elephant,

I just looked over your blog, AmericanElephant, and I note that you are one of three authors of the blog and all of you are identified by pseudonym alone. There are no biographies of any of you. Why is that? Are you sock puppets? Or just cowards? Would you lose your job if you were openly gay? Are you married to a woman as a cover? Would she leave you if you were openly gay? Would your parents, siblings and grandparents still welcome you into their homes if you were openly gay? Are you openly gay at your church? If not, why? Do your friends all know you are gay? If not, why? Would equal rights locally and federally give you the courage to be openly gay and honest about who you are to everyone in your life?

I won&#039;t be publishing any more of your comments until you publish a bio and photo of yourself at your blog that I am able to confirm is you. This is because you currently are behaving like a troll. Troll-wise, I figure if it argues like a troll and hides its identity like a troll, it&#039;s a troll -- and will be treated accordingly.

But right now, you are asking for a fisking, so let the fisking commence:

1. I haven&#039;t compared &quot;people who think traditional marriage fulfills essential purposes in society to people who have driven their children to suicide by treating them horribly.&quot; I told people who have been duped by self-serving religious leaders who have cloaked their greed and lust for power as the word of God that they cannot know if their own children are gay, and that they really cannot make their gay children straight, so that they should be aware that the negative and destructive things they are saying about gays -- in the belief that &quot;the gays&quot; are a strange, far-off people -- are things they are saying about THEIR OWN CHILD. I&#039;m warning them that their destructive attitudes and word will distance them from their child, will destroy that child&#039;s trust in them and may even result in that child committing suicide. I am trying to reach the social conservatives who cannot stand the thought of losing their child in one of these ways and who might change as a result. I&#039;m especially speaking to the social conservatives who also want their own children to have equal rights with every other citizen of this country.

2. Are you sure the Hummer is the example you want to use when you are posing as a gay person denouncing equal rights for lesbians and gays? Dude -- think of the picture you called up in so many minds! But, seriously, there&#039;s no comparing sexual orientation and gay marriage to tax credits. I am an ex-ex-lesbian. You do not choose your sexual orientation. The people who have been manipulated, shamed and brow-beaten into believing they are ex-gay are just going to hurt a lot of innocent people on their path to standing up for who they really are and becoming ex-ex-gays.

3. I know from having a successful relationship for over 20 years, which ended in my life partner&#039;s death due to complications of multiple sclerosis, that all of the legal rights that go along with marriage are tools for building a life together as a couple and that couples need them. Society benefits from gay marriage because people who build their lives together are more successful than single people or unmarried couples in staying off of welfare, keeping jobs, buying homes and contributing to their communities.

4. Yes, I am totally saying that people who advocate against equality for lesbians and gays, including marriage equality, DO drive people to kill themselves and DO cause the deaths of others through deaths of a thousand cuts plus the thousands of ways lesbians and gays are thwarted and excluded for a BEING crime (as opposed to a thought crime). In addition, I believe that the behavior of social conservatives toward lesbians and gays is a form of sex abuse that is particularly destructive to children.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Elephant,</p>
<p>I just looked over your blog, AmericanElephant, and I note that you are one of three authors of the blog and all of you are identified by pseudonym alone. There are no biographies of any of you. Why is that? Are you sock puppets? Or just cowards? Would you lose your job if you were openly gay? Are you married to a woman as a cover? Would she leave you if you were openly gay? Would your parents, siblings and grandparents still welcome you into their homes if you were openly gay? Are you openly gay at your church? If not, why? Do your friends all know you are gay? If not, why? Would equal rights locally and federally give you the courage to be openly gay and honest about who you are to everyone in your life?</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be publishing any more of your comments until you publish a bio and photo of yourself at your blog that I am able to confirm is you. This is because you currently are behaving like a troll. Troll-wise, I figure if it argues like a troll and hides its identity like a troll, it&#8217;s a troll &#8212; and will be treated accordingly.</p>
<p>But right now, you are asking for a fisking, so let the fisking commence:</p>
<p>1. I haven&#8217;t compared &#8220;people who think traditional marriage fulfills essential purposes in society to people who have driven their children to suicide by treating them horribly.&#8221; I told people who have been duped by self-serving religious leaders who have cloaked their greed and lust for power as the word of God that they cannot know if their own children are gay, and that they really cannot make their gay children straight, so that they should be aware that the negative and destructive things they are saying about gays &#8212; in the belief that &#8220;the gays&#8221; are a strange, far-off people &#8212; are things they are saying about THEIR OWN CHILD. I&#8217;m warning them that their destructive attitudes and word will distance them from their child, will destroy that child&#8217;s trust in them and may even result in that child committing suicide. I am trying to reach the social conservatives who cannot stand the thought of losing their child in one of these ways and who might change as a result. I&#8217;m especially speaking to the social conservatives who also want their own children to have equal rights with every other citizen of this country.</p>
<p>2. Are you sure the Hummer is the example you want to use when you are posing as a gay person denouncing equal rights for lesbians and gays? Dude &#8212; think of the picture you called up in so many minds! But, seriously, there&#8217;s no comparing sexual orientation and gay marriage to tax credits. I am an ex-ex-lesbian. You do not choose your sexual orientation. The people who have been manipulated, shamed and brow-beaten into believing they are ex-gay are just going to hurt a lot of innocent people on their path to standing up for who they really are and becoming ex-ex-gays.</p>
<p>3. I know from having a successful relationship for over 20 years, which ended in my life partner&#8217;s death due to complications of multiple sclerosis, that all of the legal rights that go along with marriage are tools for building a life together as a couple and that couples need them. Society benefits from gay marriage because people who build their lives together are more successful than single people or unmarried couples in staying off of welfare, keeping jobs, buying homes and contributing to their communities.</p>
<p>4. Yes, I am totally saying that people who advocate against equality for lesbians and gays, including marriage equality, DO drive people to kill themselves and DO cause the deaths of others through deaths of a thousand cuts plus the thousands of ways lesbians and gays are thwarted and excluded for a BEING crime (as opposed to a thought crime). In addition, I believe that the behavior of social conservatives toward lesbians and gays is a form of sex abuse that is particularly destructive to children.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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